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Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit, more capabalities
From: cangel@famvid.com
Message-ID: <_pYg4.8106$NU6.340406@tw12.nn.bcandid.com>
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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:48:11 GMT
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu
On 2000-01-17 jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu(JeffreyAltman) said:
JA>Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
JA>In article <4bLg4.6414$NU6.261988@tw12.nn.bcandid.com>,
JA><cangel@famvid.com> wrote:
CA> I too could use the zmodem alternative for BBS that only have 94
CA> byte crippled kermit implementations and have said this several
CA> times. As you have said, it's a `no starter' here UNLESS you use
CA> W95. For some reason having W95 makes zmodem suddenly very
CA> logical and necessary to have as an option. Strange how that
CA> works since W95 users have a multitude of choices for other
CA> terminal apps with a working zmodem and 16 bit DOS users have
CA> ZERO. I marvel at the logic.
JA> As stated in previous responses to this thread the Zmodem library
JA> used in Kermit 95 was developed by a Kermit 95 user and donated to
JA> The Kermit Project.
It has also been stated previously in this thread that if there was a
need for zmodem it would've been addressed. Apparently the `need' was
obvious enough for W9x users or you wouldn't have accepted the `donation'
since it did not install itself and that would take time away from more
important things that 100k users were waiting for. You play it both
ways depending on your mood.
JA> The library is only available for Kermit 95
JA> because we are not allowed to redistribute the source code. Since
JA> C-Kermit and MS-DOS Kermit are source code distributions the Zmodem
JA> library cannot be integrated into those products.
Can't figure out how to do it eh?
JA> The solution to this situation is very simple. Write your own
JA> Zmodem library to integrate with MS-DOS Kermit that does not
JA> violate the copyright of Omen Technologies and donate it to the
JA> Kermit Project.
As soon as the rest of you drop off the payroll and stop charging for
the documentation I'll do that but I won't hold my breath - OK?
JA> Professor Doupnik has donated a large part of his
JA> last two decades developing and supporting MS-DOS Kermit. I find
JA> it incredible that anyone would take such a thankless position. On
JA> one had you say that MS-DOS Kermit is this incredible piece of
JA> software that is more than three times faster than anything else
JA> you have seen. But then you complain that it doesn't do everything
JA> that you want it to do.
It's called being truthful. You should give it a try.
I didn't just say it didn't do everything, I suggested a quick and easy
`fix' that would take someone familiar with the code (and owning exactly
the correct version and type of compiler) about one afternoon (short one)
to change.
You don't discuss the relative merits of my suggestion either because
you don't understand what I said or you're in the habit of chasing
away anyone that might expect you to actually _do_ something.
JA> I have to tell you that one of the benefits of being a volunteer
JA> software developer is that you get to choose what you want to work
JA> on. If Zmodem was something that Professor Doupnik wanted to work
JA> on I am sure he would do a fantastic job. But as a academic his
JA> primary motivation is to do things that haven't been done before or
JA> that solve problems that he is experiencing.
I thought the primary goal of an `academic' was to learn not `do' things.
I can guarantee Joe that no one has tried to put an `int 14h' hook into
MSKermit before and it would solve problems for anyone trying to use
MSK to upload and download offline mail packets from telnet'able BBS.
FIDO mail types like me.
JA> The v316 has been in `beta' longer than most software even lasts
JA> from start to finish.
JA> The definition of 'beta' is "a test build that is publicly available
JA> to end users". It is not an indication that a release is imminent.
JA> It is simply a way of Professor being supportive of the users of
JA> MS-DOS Kermit by fixing bugs that have been reported.
After `x' amount of `testing' you could drop the `beta' designation. It
creates the illusion the software is under development. Obviously it
is not.
Charles.Angelich